new cyberpunk?

topic posted Tue, October 17, 2006 - 8:29 PM by  Mickey
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I've read nearly all Gibson and Stephenson. I'm now looking for new cyberpunk authors. Can anyone recommend any light cyberpunk (or for that matter, what's new & good in light sci-fi)?
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  • Re: new cyberpunk?

    Tue, October 17, 2006 - 10:37 PM
    The works of Walter John Williams are a good place to start, specifically "Hardwired." "Metrophage" by Richard Kadrey is another.

    There are dozens of online lists of cyberpunk books (and many on this tribe -- type "books" into the cyberpunk tribe search window).
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    Wed, October 18, 2006 - 12:01 AM
    Bruce Sterling is great too.

    Try George Alec Effinger.

    Oh, and WJW is certainly an unsung hero. "The Rift" is a great book. Read it and keep in mind that it was written years before Katrina...
  • Re: new cyberpunk?

    Sat, October 21, 2006 - 10:16 PM
    Artificial Kid is pretty much required reading.

    All of the books from Rudy Rucker could also be considered required reading, and are some of my favorites, such as the Ware series (hardware, software, wetware, real ware, freeware). He also wrote White light which is a wild story about life beyond infinity. Spaceland was a wild adventure in teh 4th dimention.

    Silicon man is another good read, though the author is escaping me.

    RIM is another amazing book briding western cyberpunk with eastern medicine and philosiphy.

    --S
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    Sat, October 21, 2006 - 10:16 PM
    I never read new books. Partially for financial reasons, but also because if you want 5 or 10 years, the crap gets filtered out.

    It's possible that since our book-reading priorities are obviously different you might not appreciate any of these, but I highly recommend reading the old stuff that was the roots of Cyberpunk. It's truly a tragedy that The Shockwave Rider is so out of print. I've been thinking about that book a lot lately and how fabulous it was.
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      Sun, October 22, 2006 - 12:43 PM
      Walter John Williams "Voice in the Whirlwind" is supposed to be pretty good, based on reccomendations from a friend. Also there's a semiotext science fiction anthology out there that has some decent cyberpunk stories.

      Through a Scanner Darkly by PKD is also in there, along with the original 'Minority Report' novella. And Steven King (writing as Richard Backman) original 'Running Man' novel is pretty good stuff.
      • Re: new cyberpunk?

        Mon, November 6, 2006 - 8:50 PM
        Thanks for the suggestions. When I said "light" I meant stuff that isn't too mired in theory, perhaps does more in the way of character development, may have a "happy" ending, and may include a little humor.

        I know, I know... Sci-fi humor is hard to write...
        • Re: new cyberpunk?

          Wed, November 22, 2006 - 8:20 AM
          Trust me... the Rucker 'ware series will keep you laughing. There's not a lot of technojargon. He took the star trek approch (make up a word to describe what you're doing without and scientific basis).

          Robot are called Boppers. They are on the moon. They mine. They started to build newer versions of themselves. They got smart.

          Brain transfers, intellegent mold & fungus, drug use and a lot of oddness from book to book.

          They're not real long books either. Very light reading, as oppose dto White Light which hurt. Spaceland my GF who is 100% NON GEEK read and was able to follow and enjoy.

          --S
          • Re: new cyberpunk?

            Thu, November 23, 2006 - 2:20 PM
            Tad Williams, the Otherland series. Lots of near future vr stuff. Makes you want to go out and start building a vr network of your own, until you realize the sad state of processing power today.
            • Re: new cyberpunk?

              Thu, November 23, 2006 - 7:32 PM
              I met Tad, which motivated me to read the first book of the series. I wasn't too impressed with it, and never read the others.
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                Fri, November 24, 2006 - 4:12 AM
                Not sure if you'd class it as Cyberpunk but would heartily reccommend tghe first three titles by Jeff Noon (Vurt, Pollen, Nymphomation). They're your classic slightly futuristic, new/odd technology stories but with a very British twist (all set in Manchester).
            • Re: new cyberpunk?

              Sat, November 25, 2006 - 7:17 PM
              Sad State?

              In January'ish intel will be releasing the Quad Core, which is the power of 4 processors in a single chip package, with internal load balancing, app swapping, etc. I don't think that's too sad as far as power goes.

              --S
              • Re: new cyberpunk?

                Wed, November 29, 2006 - 11:53 AM
                It's not bad, true. I meant that more in the context of breathtaking virtual reality, which still seems a long way off, for me at least. Things like displacement mapping and HDR support in 3d engines offer more promise to me currently for that, seems like besides server based software most [consumer] software is still struggling to make the most of the new chip architectures as it is.
                • Re: new cyberpunk?

                  Wed, December 6, 2006 - 11:35 AM
                  I think we have to accept that the whole VR concept already came and went, and was found to be lacking. I highly doubt we're going to see VR helmets make a comeback.

                  There was some promising tech, but even that's gone away, like the indirect monocles.

                  Sony is still pushing their VR glasses which now interface with an Ipod to simulate a nice 50" TV at 8 ft away.

                  Maybe if/when they get full tactile working we'll see something against, but I'm not holding my breath.

                  --S
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                    Re: new cyberpunk?

                    Fri, December 15, 2006 - 1:22 PM
                    I think myspace is going to go VR!!
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                      Fri, December 15, 2006 - 3:05 PM
                      heh, I'd have to see that.

                      Since it was brought back up. I agree that the reality, not the concept of VR was found lacking, and still is. Doesn't mean that the concept is gone, and won't come back once the technology is there to support it. It's in our nature to want to create our own reality, and in some ways to escape it as well. Dunno how you could argue that it's dead with MMORGs attracting so many users, and the rise of second life. Those two things alone will bring gear down to the public sector. Look at the WII too, working VR controllers right there. Only a matter of time.
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                        Mon, January 1, 2007 - 7:38 PM
                        I keep wondering if MMO's/Second Life would drive the VR hardware side again.

                        There's been a lot of advances in the past 10 years with detail, resolution, quality and processing power. Second life could be very interesting playing with heads up goggle/glasses. Even the first person shooter market could enjoy it.

                        Knowing what I know about games and 3d design, I'm surpised that with all the attempts at 3d, nobod thought to set up a dual camera (in application) for output. From this, you could easily pipe it to Video 1 and Video 2 on a dual head video card, and then into a glasses rig, giving actual depth perception.

                        Now before anyone busts my chops, I know there's more complications beyond that, such as eye focus and parallax.... I'll elaborate.

                        A few years back I remember reading about a cam corder that had sensors in the view finder to track where your eye moved. it would zoom in and focus on where you moved your eye, picking up subtle movements. That being the case it seems like it would be easy enough take the input, and tie into the game in a feedback loop. you move your eyes, the output follows your movement. Head motion is tracked and eye motion. Horizon is blurred and out of focus while you stare at something close, and vice versa. I'm not sure how much out own eyes would be compensating though.

                        Now, some of this might require some extra processing crunch. Companies are finally getting a clue though on this front, such as this:

                        www.killernic.com/KillerNic/

                        So, if we can have a dedicated sub processor to handle graphics, physics, and now network data, then I don't see why there couldn't be a sub processor to handle the VR mathematics .

                        www.steves-digicams.com/glasstron.html

                        Sony hasn't given up on VR... I wonder if they're PS3 compatible... I suspect they are. They look much cooler than previous generations. Total GITS ripoff. ;)

                        --S
  • Re: new cyberpunk?

    Fri, November 24, 2006 - 10:00 AM
    i really liked Altered Carbon and Broken Angels by Richard Morgan....really good writing. I would equate it to hard boiled cyber punk. Good reads
    The Star Fraction by Ken Mcleod....good book slightly more heavy on social theory but not too heavy.
  • Re: new cyberpunk?

    Wed, December 6, 2006 - 11:37 AM
    Read a new book over the weekend...

    Crimson Labyrinth by Yosuke Kishi

    VERY GOOD. I couldn't put it down. Its' very Cyberpunk... some of which they don't let on until... well, I'm not going to give spoilers. I highly suggest everyone read it.

    --S
  • Re: new cyberpunk?

    Sat, December 9, 2006 - 4:51 PM
    you will enjoy Pat Cadigan's Tea from an Empty Cup (1998) and Dervish is Digital (2001) if you also like noir .
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    Sat, December 9, 2006 - 8:01 PM
    canadian writer Peter Watts has a fascinating Rifters triology . the books are starfish , maelstorm and behemoth ( in 2 parts ) .
    • Re: new cyberpunk?

      Tue, December 26, 2006 - 12:36 PM
      Vurt
      by Jeff Noon
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        Tue, December 26, 2006 - 2:55 PM
        Elements of cyberpunk have gradually been blended into more mainstream sci-fi, methinx. Two cases in point:

        In Peter Hamilton's excellent "Night's Dawn Trilogy", neural implants are used to get realtime heads up displays of street layouts and starcharts, as well as an entire Encyclopedia Britannica, if one wished.

        In John Barnes' "Mother of Storms", the idea that Gibson (at least I think it was Gibson) invented called "sim-stim", where normal people can put on VR and see, touch and feel all the sensations of the "sim-stim" stars (i.e. paragliding, base jumping, having thrilling sex with other sim-stim stars...) is flushed out even more (disgustingly and) thoroughly.

        It's hard, though not impossible, to have a "purely" cyberpunk novel anymore, as cyberpunk itself, I daresay, has been subsumed by mainstream sci-fi.
        • Re: new cyberpunk?

          Tue, December 26, 2006 - 5:31 PM
          "the idea that Gibson (at least I think it was Gibson) invented called "sim-stim", where normal people can put on VR and see, touch and feel all the sensations of the "sim-stim" stars"

          This idea was appropriated by the film "Strange Days," but the first place I ever saw such a concept was in the movie "Brainstorm," the final Natalie Wood appearance. "Brainstorm" came out one year before Gibson's first novel, "Neuromancer." The concept has been around longer than either, I'm sure. Philip K. Dick has quite a few similar scenarios in many of his works in which reality is perfectly simulated; the one that has such a "first-person" VR experience would probably be "The Three Stigmata of Palmer Eldritch," in which users can, via a drug called Can-D, "translate" themselves into being Perky Pat or her boyfriend Walt.

          So to say Gibson "invented" it is dubious at best. Better to say he "borrowed" it.
          • Re: new cyberpunk?

            Mon, January 1, 2007 - 7:41 PM
            "So to say Gibson "invented" it is dubious at best. Better to say he "borrowed" it."

            More like he refined the idea, and scaled it down to the equivalent of a mini disk player.

            --S
            • Re: new cyberpunk?

              Mon, January 1, 2007 - 9:15 PM
              "More like he refined the idea, and scaled it down to the equivalent of a mini disk player."

              Yeah -- "Brainstorm" had the analog tape version.
  • Re: new cyberpunk?

    Mon, January 1, 2007 - 6:44 PM
    Nylon Angel
    When Gravity Fails (1), The Exile Kiss (2), A Fire in the Sun (3) -- numbered by their order in the series
    Pashazade
    Trouble and Her Friends

    All available through Amazon.
  • Re: new cyberpunk?

    Mon, January 8, 2007 - 11:14 AM
    Technogenesis by Syne Mitchell isn't bad at all, and the science in the book is pretty realistic. The protagonist is somewhat Mary Sue-ish, but no book is perfect, right?

    Someone already mentioned George Alec Effinger, and I'll second that. When Gravity Fails and A Fire in the Sun are both awesome books, and I highly recommend them.

    Friday by Robert Heinlein isn't exactly cyberpunk, but the general setting is very close...it's a technologically advanced dystopian future, but there isn't any artificial intelligence. Just artificially bred humans (they're biological, just made in test tubes and treated as though they were androids). Not a new book by any standards, but very good.
  • Re: new cyberpunk?

    Thu, January 18, 2007 - 12:17 PM
    Last night on the Colbert Report, Richard Clarke was on promoting his new book Break Point. When Colbert called it Science Fiction, he corrected him saying it was more a cyberpunk thriller. This coming from the ex-head of the cyberterrorism division. I'll have to pick it up now.
    • Re: new cyberpunk?

      Thu, January 18, 2007 - 1:08 PM
      I also picked up Atomik Aztex. Haven't started it yet but I believe its done by a local SF Bay Area writer. It was recommended at Stacey's for those who liked Stephenson and Gibson. Haven't been able to get into it yet though.
  • Re: new cyberpunk?

    Thu, January 18, 2007 - 12:41 PM
    connie willis' "to say nothing of the dog" is funny. I don't think I'd call it cyberpunk but it's kinda sci-fi, they use tech for time travel. I would also recommend all of PKD. myself I'm almost done with the baroque cycle, don't know what's next!
    • Re: new cyberpunk?

      Thu, January 18, 2007 - 7:33 PM
      "I'm almost done with the baroque cycle"

      Those of us who read the whole damn trilogy should really get some kind of an award. Like free advance copies of his next book, or something.
      • Re: new cyberpunk?

        Fri, January 19, 2007 - 7:19 AM
        LOL. more words, more more!!

        or maybe a cool badge with that quicksilver symbol on it
        • Re: new cyberpunk?

          Sun, February 25, 2007 - 7:06 AM
          To comment on some previous posts:

          If you're going to read "To say nothing of the dog" by Willis, it helps to read "three men in a boat" by Jerome K. Jerome first. It's kind of an updated sci-fi homage to that book.

          I second the recommendation for Ken MacLeod. The Star Faction, or the other three books in that series (Stone Canal, Cassini Division, Sky Road) are not at all "light" sci-fi or cyberpunk. There is a lot of people arguing about socialism vs. capitalism in pubs, and the implications of social theory on how people interact with technology. But they are great books. Stone Canal and Cassini Division are his two best books, and you don't have to read them in order. Star Fraction can be a little weak and heady for long stretches, and I usually give friends Canal or Cassini to start them off.

          If you're looking for light, tongue in cheek affair, I'd go with Ribofunk by Paul DiFillipo, Headcrash by Bruce Bethke, and Sewer, Gas, and Electric by Matt Ruff. You would want to read Snowcrash before reading Headcrash.

          The call for Rudy Rucker is a good one, in that it is funny and bounces along, but I was only really with him for the first couple of books. He kind of lost me with the intelligent mold. the books were still light and funny, but they stopped making that much sense. And if you want to read White Light by Rucker, it really helps to have read the flatland books and have a working knowledge of cantor's theorems of higher orders of infinity. There's a good nonfiction book out there about Cantor's theorems that I got out of the library. I think that Aleph is in the title.

          A really good starting point is the Mirrorshades anthology edited by Bruce Sterling. Cyberpunk short stories, and if you like a particular author you can follow up. That's how I found DiFillipo.

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