http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7?format=rss Tribe.net. Local Connections http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#1961dc3c-d14f-4747-8ee7-ad941fd8306a Two by Stephen Baxter might just nail it - The novel "Evolution" traces one mammalian dna lineage from just before the dino killing meteor to when the Sun finally expires. Really wonderful. Kind of like Michner for scifi. However the short story "The Gravity Mine" might win. Beginning in a future far enough away that humanity is free of biology and gravity, it spans several more billions of years, ending very close to the end our universe... or not. A top ten for me. Like to hear what you think. Here it is online: http://www.infinityplus.co.uk/stories/gravitymine.htm Sat, 13 Jun 2009 07:52:43 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#1961dc3c-d14f-4747-8ee7-ad941fd8306a Bright N Shiny 2009-06-13T07:52:43Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#74699008-a085-41a1-9440-31ad42e5ef43 <smite you with my iPhone> LOL! love it ;)' Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:10:17 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#74699008-a085-41a1-9440-31ad42e5ef43 Powers 2009-04-08T18:10:17Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#c46de049-edaf-4726-90e4-dab3ad5e79fb Rama? Wed, 08 Apr 2009 06:35:50 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#c46de049-edaf-4726-90e4-dab3ad5e79fb John 2009-04-08T06:35:50Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#a131db60-7795-41e9-8228-e596a7df50ea "Any sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from magic." Don't quote Clarke at me or I'll smite you with my iPhone. Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:24:29 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#a131db60-7795-41e9-8228-e596a7df50ea Allen 2009-04-08T00:24:29Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#cfc652cd-3cf6-4377-be27-57484070f433 Angel wings = (jet packs) Tue, 07 Apr 2009 19:13:02 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#cfc652cd-3cf6-4377-be27-57484070f433 Powers 2009-04-07T19:13:02Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#284994bc-7853-460b-8851-4019777365e0 Any sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from magic. Burning bush, parting the waters, genesis, smiting of enemies: holograms, force fields, test-tube baby, high-energy plasma? Oh CRAP, that's Intelligent Design! Well, maybe not quite how some people think of it..... Tue, 07 Apr 2009 18:03:57 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#284994bc-7853-460b-8851-4019777365e0 John 2009-04-07T18:03:57Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#9d2b42c7-8066-43a2-bd55-0f3dd9866f78 hehehehe Adam and Eve - test tube clones sounds kind of sci to me Tue, 07 Apr 2009 17:42:39 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#9d2b42c7-8066-43a2-bd55-0f3dd9866f78 Powers 2009-04-07T17:42:39Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#749dc849-d25b-4b78-9bba-3ccbf979589b The bible's not science fiction -- it's fantasy. Mon, 06 Apr 2009 22:53:43 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#749dc849-d25b-4b78-9bba-3ccbf979589b Allen 2009-04-06T22:53:43Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#ee5573c3-6ff7-4cfe-aaee-0881ecb09671 Genesis (in the BIble) for far into the future - it starts all over (again) ;)' Mon, 06 Apr 2009 20:00:09 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#ee5573c3-6ff7-4cfe-aaee-0881ecb09671 Powers 2009-04-06T20:00:09Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#1b113139-cde3-4f69-a4b7-5586d4ba6145 Iain Banks' stories about The Culture seem to be pretty far in the future. Individual motiviation is still understandable while set in an ultra-tech environment. Simon R.Green's Deathstalker series also seems to be pretty far in the future, but it's not what I would call hard sci-fi. And don't forget the E. E. "doc" Smith's Lensmen series, one of the pioneers of the space opera genre. The date is never discussed, but there is the impression of a significant number of years. Sat, 28 Mar 2009 23:35:37 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#1b113139-cde3-4f69-a4b7-5586d4ba6145 John 2009-03-28T23:35:37Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#b680d300-88e0-499e-a371-8e48a532254e Anchored is a good word for it! Sat, 28 Mar 2009 22:13:43 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#b680d300-88e0-499e-a371-8e48a532254e Alicia 2009-03-28T22:13:43Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#5cc84391-d605-4a9b-bfc7-454b9a582788 Okay, "set it" may not have been the best choice. Time travel usually runs heavily in previous time periods (ie best known) but keeps a claw in a future setting. How about "anchored" does that work? Sat, 28 Mar 2009 19:47:40 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#5cc84391-d605-4a9b-bfc7-454b9a582788 Tedward 2009-03-28T19:47:40Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#2a21b16e-11f9-41d2-a396-62a4e8f2c83c What about Julian May - Saga of Exiles? It's set 6 million years in the past, but the characters get there from some point in the future, using sci-fi future gizmos. Sat, 28 Mar 2009 17:54:47 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#2a21b16e-11f9-41d2-a396-62a4e8f2c83c Alicia 2009-03-28T17:54:47Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#387a2f15-bcfb-432f-aad1-0a13d71996a4 Ever read any Terence McKenna? :) Mon, 15 Sep 2008 19:56:42 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#387a2f15-bcfb-432f-aad1-0a13d71996a4 .D.X.™ 2008-09-15T19:56:42Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#af15f0dd-05a1-449b-a13b-fc9f474bce31 Charles Sheffield's "Tomorrow and Tomorrow" goes until the end of time. Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:34:54 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#af15f0dd-05a1-449b-a13b-fc9f474bce31 Dave (aka Frenhofer) 2008-09-15T04:34:54Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#8ee4ebd1-b817-4c22-98f6-f47f603a1dbf Alternative history is a subset of fantasy. call it speculative fantasy. Time travel is a tough one. I think that the origin point is the crucial step. If the inventor theoretically started before the time of writing, then it's history. Whoever said that Star wars was SF? It's a fairy tale, and pretty much always has been. http://www.salon.com/ent/movies/feature/1999/06/15/brin_main/print.html You crush NOTHING. your Kung fu no good... :>[] Fri, 18 Jul 2008 01:22:54 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#8ee4ebd1-b817-4c22-98f6-f47f603a1dbf Tedward 2008-07-18T01:22:54Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#01556e82-79e3-459a-ab29-0a9e7c126053 "Oh, and actually, yes, ALL SF is set in the future" Any time travel story violates your "law." And Steampunk is arguably alternate history, not fantasy per se. And how about stories set on alien worlds in a past context with technology that surpasses our current technology? How about: "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away..." I crush your sweeping generalizations! Crush, I say! ^_^ Thu, 17 Jul 2008 21:14:21 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#01556e82-79e3-459a-ab29-0a9e7c126053 Allen 2008-07-17T21:14:21Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#ab83c8f0-963d-4d93-a384-840434619da4 Well, the thing is this. SF is about the interaction of humans with technology. Typically that technology leads to space travel, and it becomes speculation from there... hence aliens, etc. The I Robot book, still stand as one of the clearest illustrations of this phenomenon. Asimov started with the premise of a thinking computer and developed the three laws as a way of insuring it did what it was supposed to do (given the level of litigation at the time). And when it was written, simple robots were a reality. Thinking machines were no longer pure fantasy, but were actually being researched. Another good example is the movie Demolition Man. This movie is an extrapolation of what could happen if the Rpublican New Deal (written by Gingritch) were to come to full fruition. Everything in that move from the lojacking to the simplification of language is detailed in the republican plan. Once you get too far into the future, it gets harder and harder to write "pure" sf, or at least, speculative fiction. We could take the Roddenbury timeline and fast forward a million years until we're pure energy beings. But trying even to understand that form is beyond most people and trying to figure out motivations, trials, and conquests for a good story would be almost impossible. That's why most SF stays within 100 years or so. Oh, and actually, yes, ALL SF is set in the future. Otherwise it becomes science fantasy. Granted some works were written in their future (1984) which we have now surpassed, but the effort was made at the time to project forward. Steampunk is Fantasy, Cyberpunk is SF. Thu, 17 Jul 2008 08:48:24 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#ab83c8f0-963d-4d93-a384-840434619da4 Tedward 2008-07-17T08:48:24Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#72dc39c8-b8d8-4a3f-b16f-5bcf5df5c0cb Zindell's "Neverness" trilogy is a few thousand years ffwd Thu, 17 Jul 2008 02:34:08 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#72dc39c8-b8d8-4a3f-b16f-5bcf5df5c0cb AlexXx 2008-07-17T02:34:08Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#261660b3-4e33-4a77-9190-89950e333208 these are all great - THANKS EVERYONE!!! Thu, 17 Jul 2008 01:57:55 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#261660b3-4e33-4a77-9190-89950e333208 AtlantaHoopla 2008-07-17T01:57:55Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#cb66b61b-bd3b-4766-acfd-060f100b0060 Try 'Wizards' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wizards_%28film%29 Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:45:28 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#cb66b61b-bd3b-4766-acfd-060f100b0060 Brian 2008-07-16T08:45:28Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#cffda2d4-d274-40d2-8ed4-d8d8e744d2e2 Rock and Rule - "the war was over, mankind had eliminated itself. All that was left were small animals: dogs, cats, rats. But that was a long time ago...." Wed, 16 Jul 2008 02:14:27 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#cffda2d4-d274-40d2-8ed4-d8d8e744d2e2 Tedward 2008-07-16T02:14:27Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#7b83d8cc-8f87-44ed-a0fa-9453b4d2ffea My last name is not Pesce, by the way. Beyond "C", regardless of the case...sorry...such is life. :) C'est la vie, as the French say. :) Beyond Dune...Beyond Frank...:) Jadios! :) Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:26:31 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#7b83d8cc-8f87-44ed-a0fa-9453b4d2ffea .D.X.™ 2008-07-10T20:26:31Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#ae19808c-16da-4b12-a770-62a688f2d474 The GodCraft(plural)...see tribe GodCraft. I like tribes...reminds me of the twelve tribes of Israel..like in the Bible. GodCraft are allowed. :) For all I know, I could BE Israel. :) Mein got! My GOD! NO PC, here, sorry. No Trekkies, please. No Joshuas, No Jesuses, either, no messiahs, either, no saviors, either, sorry. :) No safe mode, sorry. :) Have a nice day! :) Beyond Glass, Beyond Silicon...GodCraft. Solarii-esque. Off the chart...you won't find it on your periodic table, sorry. :) Laters... Love, GOD. :) Thu, 10 Jul 2008 20:24:42 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#ae19808c-16da-4b12-a770-62a688f2d474 .D.X.™ 2008-07-10T20:24:42Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#f444fbfb-0417-46cb-859f-70b0d8dd5671 Night Lands was written back in 1912 and deals with the super future... after the light has gone out from the universe and the 'dark things; abound... L Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:30:48 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#f444fbfb-0417-46cb-859f-70b0d8dd5671 Leon 2008-07-10T03:30:48Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#ba2538a6-d91b-4fa9-b86f-f4692b7e9d3b The Dune Chronicles by Frank Herbert. nuff said. Wed, 09 Jul 2008 04:26:33 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#ba2538a6-d91b-4fa9-b86f-f4692b7e9d3b Brian 2008-07-09T04:26:33Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#50a33f70-27e9-4b70-9a87-7aadf305494e Technically, the Babylon % timeline extended a million years in either direction. The last episode of season 4 showed the extended timeline. Wed, 09 Jul 2008 00:26:30 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#50a33f70-27e9-4b70-9a87-7aadf305494e Tedward 2008-07-09T00:26:30Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#c263b308-45e0-4ebc-a825-38649c60d1a8 There are plenty. Asimov's Foundation series comes to mind. I recently read Vernor Vinge's superbly entertaining "A Fire Upon the Deep," and it's at least several hundred thousand years in the future. Tue, 08 Jul 2008 22:00:25 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#c263b308-45e0-4ebc-a825-38649c60d1a8 Allen 2008-07-08T22:00:25Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#de746219-72ed-48a0-a476-5057d0300336 hard to say, at a certain distance you're pretty much reaching another dimension/reality path i think... something like oversoul7 or entoverse, taking place in several realities at once, where timeframes tend to get pretty blurry. Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:03:40 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#de746219-72ed-48a0-a476-5057d0300336 atom 2008-07-08T21:03:40Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#24c646a0-2512-475e-97a4-0b2b8a1a7eab The Time Ships-Stephen Baxter The Time Machine- H G Wells Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:29:24 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#24c646a0-2512-475e-97a4-0b2b8a1a7eab Dustin (El Guano) 2008-07-08T19:29:24Z http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#f05644d4-9894-47ec-9e40-48123daf0224 This morning I was listening to Neal Boortz on the radio and he was saying something to the effect that even sci-fi stories don't usually tell tales that go millions of years into the future and it got me to thinking... How far into the future is the FURTHEST REACHING INTO THE FUTURE (and published) sci-fi story you can think of? (Published as in this is not a story you make up as you're typing your response...) I know not ALL sci-fi or cyberpunk is set in the future but go with it and let me know what you think. ALSO - what do you think the *average* "into the future" time-frame is? 50 years? 150 years? 1000 years? And has that changed through time? Like in the 40's & 50's it seemed like lots of stories were placing the characters in 1990 but looking 40 or 50 years out by todays standards of technology growth might seem silly. I guess depending on what kind of story you were telling it wouldn't matter 'cause Children of Men was something like 25 years out if I remember correctly. Tue, 08 Jul 2008 19:08:47 GMT http://cyberpunk.tribe.net/thread/86f0b9c2-07ea-4294-9239-4fe19fca9bb7#f05644d4-9894-47ec-9e40-48123daf0224 AtlantaHoopla 2008-07-08T19:08:47Z